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		<title>By: jackofspades83</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I partially agree with you, but the problem isn&#039;t Floridians in general, although in North Florida thats more difficult to say.  The problem is most of our leaders are idiots, Republicans and Democrats alike.  Florida&#039;s population also suffers from a great deal of poverty and racism, and one of the worst school systems in the country.  As such I find it difficult to blame Floridans for their ignorance when their environment is mostly to blame.

As for 2000, that was a major blunder supported by many, many individuals.  Supervisors of elections through out the state, both major political parties, and for the most part, the only privatized voter information database in the country, a la Choice Point DBT and Katherine Harris.  The latter lead to minority voters being screwed on a scale unheard of, even by Jim Crow standards.  Florida has certainly earned its reputation for both poorly conducted and unfair elections.

However, I have never been given a sufficient answer as to why the Florida Democrats should be held responsible for this fiasco.  Even if they voted against moving the primaries, the Republican controlled  legislature would have had the power to move them anyway, for BOTH parties.  

From what I can make out, this power is given to the legislature because of the costs and logistics of running elections, so both primaries are to be held at the same time.  The bill to move the primaries was also tied into a provision to force a paper trail in voting throughout the state.  As I had mentioned earlier (and as you alluded to as well), Florida needs SERIOUS reform in the fairness and accuracy of its electoral process.  What Democratic representative could go back to his constituents, many of whom would be disenfranchised minorities, and defend voting against such a bill, simply to please the national DEC.  However, as I mentioned earlier, regardless of how the Democrats voted the bill was wanted by the Republican legislature and it was going to pass anyway.

Is there any rational argument for punishing the Florida Democrats for something  completely out of their control?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I partially agree with you, but the problem isn&#8217;t Floridians in general, although in North Florida thats more difficult to say.  The problem is most of our leaders are idiots, Republicans and Democrats alike.  Florida&#8217;s population also suffers from a great deal of poverty and racism, and one of the worst school systems in the country.  As such I find it difficult to blame Floridans for their ignorance when their environment is mostly to blame.</p>
<p>As for 2000, that was a major blunder supported by many, many individuals.  Supervisors of elections through out the state, both major political parties, and for the most part, the only privatized voter information database in the country, a la Choice Point DBT and Katherine Harris.  The latter lead to minority voters being screwed on a scale unheard of, even by Jim Crow standards.  Florida has certainly earned its reputation for both poorly conducted and unfair elections.</p>
<p>However, I have never been given a sufficient answer as to why the Florida Democrats should be held responsible for this fiasco.  Even if they voted against moving the primaries, the Republican controlled  legislature would have had the power to move them anyway, for BOTH parties.  </p>
<p>From what I can make out, this power is given to the legislature because of the costs and logistics of running elections, so both primaries are to be held at the same time.  The bill to move the primaries was also tied into a provision to force a paper trail in voting throughout the state.  As I had mentioned earlier (and as you alluded to as well), Florida needs SERIOUS reform in the fairness and accuracy of its electoral process.  What Democratic representative could go back to his constituents, many of whom would be disenfranchised minorities, and defend voting against such a bill, simply to please the national DEC.  However, as I mentioned earlier, regardless of how the Democrats voted the bill was wanted by the Republican legislature and it was going to pass anyway.</p>
<p>Is there any rational argument for punishing the Florida Democrats for something  completely out of their control?</p>
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		<title>By: AnotherDelusionalFool</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florida&#039;s screwed up too many elections to be cut any slack on this. The Florida Democrats were willing accomplices in violating party rules this year, just as it was Florida Democrats who screwed up the ballot and the counting in 2000. 

Florida not only shouldn&#039;t count in the primary, it should never count in any Federal election ever again. It should be forcibly secedded -- &amp; I mean with lots &amp; lotsa dynamite -- &amp; left to the mercies of more important Caribbean nations. Preferably if any would just take up cannibalism &amp; solve the problem of Floridians breeding into the next generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida&#8217;s screwed up too many elections to be cut any slack on this. The Florida Democrats were willing accomplices in violating party rules this year, just as it was Florida Democrats who screwed up the ballot and the counting in 2000. </p>
<p>Florida not only shouldn&#8217;t count in the primary, it should never count in any Federal election ever again. It should be forcibly secedded &#8212; &amp; I mean with lots &amp; lotsa dynamite &#8212; &amp; left to the mercies of more important Caribbean nations. Preferably if any would just take up cannibalism &amp; solve the problem of Floridians breeding into the next generation.</p>
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